Episode 36: Spooky Stories & Strange Happenings

This week on the podcast we’re reading through your SPOOOOKY submissions and voicenotes. Thanks so much to everyone who contributed to this episode and shared their stories.

The only thing we briefly reference in this episode is novel The Midnight Library by Matt Haig.

We hope you enjoy this episode!! And until next week.

Gabby and Mel

>>> Click here to read the computer generated transcript (note that the transcript isn't perfect)

Mel: Welcome back to the making an effort podcast, the podcast where you get to drop in a conversation with two friends, discussing all the things they make an effort with and some of the things they don't. Ah, welcome back everybody. Hi Gabs.

Gabby: Hi, I'm Mel. How's it going?

Mel: I'm good. We have, um, a little seasonal episode for you today. Um, a couple of weeks ago, we started asking for your spooky story. Yeah, so we thought it'd be fun to kind of gather some of the strangest encounters you've had the kind of, um, unexpected, unexplainable things that maybe have happened, um, for you or someone that you know, we're not opposed to. By proxy story

Gabby: our way. Definitely not, no way. No love a spooky story. Hmm.

Mel: Yes. So on the cusp of, um, Halloween spooky season, uh, we thought we'd share with you some of the things that came through because they're fun.

Gabby: Yeah, I'm excited.

Mel: Yeah. Some of them, some of them I haven't actually listened to yet, so you're gonna get some real time reactions and on this as well. Um, first of all, I'm interested Gabby in, what are your, what's your failings around like spooky stuff? Like what, what's the level of spooky unexplained things that you're able to handle it? Cause I know not everybody enjoys a spooky.

Gabby: I mean, I don't love, I don't watch horror movies. I don't like scary movies. I don't really enjoy that kind of a scare. Um, but I really like, um, I think over the years I've really come to appreciate spooky season. Um, just because I think it's. Kind of fun. Like, like these kinds of stories I think are really fun. And I think Halloween and dressing up with my kid is fun. Um, I don't know. I just, but I wouldn't say that, um, An avid Halloween person. I just think it's a bit of fun, you know, did you grow

Mel: up in a home that was involved in Halloween stuff?

Gabby: No. Um, no, my parents were not into Halloween, but we did still dress up every year. So like we did w the rule was, we weren't allowed to dress up as anything. Scary. I mean, I kind of get when you've got little kids, depending, if you don't know what their scared level tolerance is. Um, so yeah, we couldn't dress up as anything scary, but everything else was pretty much fair game. And this year I am dressing up as Nicole Kidman. Nicole had been character and practical magic. I like ordered their red way. I have like a green body con dress coming in the mail. It should be here in the next few days. And I'm pretty excited for that.

Mel: I'm excited to see that. Have I ever told you the story? I feel like my bed I have on here, a bite, my really tragic Halloween. Experience as a child or

Gabby: tell me about

Mel: this. Oh, I feel like I had, I have shared this on here. Maybe if I have, sorry. If I haven't. This should be fun. So my, my, my parents were not into Halloween. And even, even before we moved to Canada where these kinds of, I guess, seasonal things are, we're much more of a big deal, right? Um, like here in Northern Ireland, when I was growing up, it was like, he bobbed for apples. Um, you maybe, I mean, trick or treating wasn't even really a

Gabby: thing. Do you guys try to treat. Like it's trick-or-treat healthy now. Okay.

Mel: Yep. Yep. Um, but it, it just wasn't, it was more like a carving a turnip. Yes. I did say a turnip and not a pumpkin is there, wasn't a, it, wasn't a great tailor. Pumpkin's on the market. Um, But my, my parents were kind of deeply against all of the kind of celebration of evil or anything like that. Um, and so when we moved to Canada, it was a real culture shock that the, you know, churches arranged like a right. Yeah. Trick or trade or parties or whatever. And, um, my parents were still very adamant that we weren't to do that. And I was just like, everybody in my class is going trick or treating. Yeah. Like I want to go. And they were like, okay, well the condition for you need to be a, like a load to go trick or treat now is that you is that you can go the night before Halloween. So I am, then we didn't have any costumes or anything. We were super budget. So there was this like pair of old crutches. Oh my gosh. This is amazing. My costume was to dress up like a hospital patient. So I was in like pajamas and like addressing, going and crutches with like a bandage on my head. So just, just think of fight this scene of, I like 10 year old girl. Going around the houses, but the night before Halloween and knocking on people's doors and addressing garden and crutches asking for. Sweets. Oh my, um, so like people were coming to the door and like, uh, okay. I

Gabby: prepared for you. Did anyone not have candy? Like, were they

Mel: like yeah, of course. They're like, here's an apple. And I'm like, oh, this is shit. And also there's a really good chance that people are going to call the police because I'm like some sort of injured looking, child's just going door to door. It was, I will never forget that humiliation of that. And I think my parents kind of caught on that. That was maybe not the most supportive way to. Third child and this new world of going trick or treating. So the next year, I think I just legit was allowed to go. But, um, yeah, I mean, I'll be working that one I'm in therapy for a fair while that is

Gabby: such a fantastic story. Well, I think. Yeah. Like, it's interesting. Cause like, obviously I grew up with like a religious background as well. And, but we do have a culture, I guess I can't speak for Canada, but at least in the states where even if you go to church, most churches will have like. Harvest party or like something where it's like, people are still dressing up. Yeah. Like dressing up, having candy, like, yeah. Even if they're not doing like the spookier side of things, but yes. I, so like I do, yeah, we did. We did always dress up. I will always remember the first year, like, you know, when you're kind of. Well, my mom is like this. Maybe like now we have Pinterest moms and Instagram moms who like dress their kids up. The moment they're born. But when my mom was growing up, you didn't have any of that. So she was like, she was just going to dress me up when I, it was important to me. And so like if, when I, once I wanted to dress up, then she would dress me up. But it was kind of that like weird transition between like being a toddler, to being a little kid. And I remember showing up to like my Sunday school class on the Sunday, like it was dress up Sunday school. Because it was around Halloween or whatever, and everyone in my class had a costume except for me. And I was so, so sad, but I think my mom just like, it was like, I was her first child. Like she didn't know what was going on. And so I think ever since then, I'm like, Nope, I have to dress up every Halloween. And like, it's stuck with me even if no one else is like, I will be there

Mel: anyway.

Gabby: All of that. I love you, mama. If you're listening. Yes, that's.

Mel: That's absolutely makes sense. I can see how that is showing up in your adult life now.

Gabby: Well, shall we get this party started? Let's get

Mel: this spooky party started. Great. Okay. We've had some submissions. Um, this first one was from

Gabby: Louis. Yeah. All right. Let's listen to Lucy story. So we had gone to visit my dad's cousin, who was a teaching priest in the south of Ireland. We went to stay in the summer holidays at the seminary where he taught down in Waterford. So the whole kind of Gothic stone brick built building was completely empty. All the students had gone home. So it's like a huge kind of. Unused airy boarding house. There was only my cousin and his little way that was occupied. We were over in another way at the other end of the building. And my parents had gone to go and have a late night snifter and my dad's cousin one night and my sister and I had been put to bed, told to read our books, put the lights out, um, which we did. We then lying in the darkness could have. Um, like a huge heavy door bang on the corridor that we

Mel: were on. And then

Gabby: footsteps coming down the stone and corridor. We shouted thinking it was on mom and dad come back to see us. And of course, no one outside. So my sister and I climb into each other's beds, how it's baiting, um, very nervous. Um, Without having another door bang as these footsteps kind of retreated. And in the morning we told her parents and they completely downplayed it. I'm going use words. They mentioned it to father Michael, and it's not until we got home and it's, the holiday was over. And we were, we were back home that they said that he'd told them that there was the ghost of a priest who walked along that corridor to get to the chapel at the end of the. Uh, we were staying in, um, but they decided not to him and empty seminary for the summer. Oh, they see

Mel: a good call on your parents' behalf to not tell you.

Gabby: Yeah,

Mel: while you're still

Gabby: there. Oh my, like isn't there something like kind of a little bit more creepy when there's like a religious figure head. Who's like, oh yeah, it's just the ghost. Like it's like, wait, no,

Mel: no, it's a Christ ghost. It's a holy ghost.

Gabby: Whoa. Gosh. Oh yeah, no,

Mel: I mean, I cannot. I cannot, that would have freaked me out completely. Um, I have, uh, so go ahead. Sorry. No, no, no, no. I was going to say I have a story, um, that my, my mom told me actually like years ago, so when she was in Triana and it's kind of related, so I thought I'd just, yeah. You know, sprinkle it in, but yeah. When my mom first got ordained as a minister, um, she was living in London and she was, um, put in a placement, uh, for like one of her first roles as a minister, like an associate role. And she was, um, lodging with this like older couple, I think. So she was kind of like an associate minister for this other older couple that were ministers and she. But it was living with them. And the first night that she went to this like old house, it was like an old house in London and she went to bed and she S she told me that she was laying in bed. And my mom is like, as you, as you have heard with the crutches story, not, not all about the, the weird stuff, but she mentions that, um, she was laying in bed. She was, she could just, she has had the S like real failing of like airiness and she felt tugging at the bed clothes. Oh, Yeah. She felt this tug at the bed clothes, um, like at the sheets and then the sheet lifted up. This is so she, I swear, she said that she was just laying completely paralyzed and the sheet just left it a couple of inches up above her body and she could kind of see her whole body. And she just was totally paralyzed, completely frozen. Like, as in she, she really felt like she couldn't move. Um, and then, so she closed her eyes and she said she started singing like choruses to herself, as she would say, like the old Christian song SIRS. She must've finally fallen asleep. So then the morning she gets up to go and have breakfast with this couple. And I think she eventually broaches the subject and says like this really strange thing that happened last night. And the couple that she was living with were like kind of nodding their head and said, well, actually the people that lived in this place before we did were also ministers, but they dabbled in like black magic. Oh

Gabby: my no, no,

Mel: no. And my mom was like, okay, I'm just going to go ahead and see if they have any other accommodation for me because,

Gabby: oh my

Mel: God. I swear that that's true.

Gabby: Yeah.

Mel: Gosh, my mom didn't tell lice,

Gabby: so I, 100% believe this story, which is why I know.

Mel: I know. Isn't that so crazy. Wow.

Gabby: Okay. Wow. That's a good story. All right. Shall we hear from Lily? Let's do it. This one is titled haunted. Jerry. Hey, Gabby and mouth. Okay. So for my job, I go into daycares and preschools and work with kids with social, emotional issues. So one of the centers that I am at is apparently haunted and I was like, yeah. Okay, whatever. That's ridiculous. Then I found out that the center is an old hospital. And that all of the parents and teachers and kids have seen ghosts in the center, there are obituaries in all the rooms where people have died in the hospital, which in my opinion is just disgusting. And why would you want to send your child there? But, um, so I guess there are stories about little three year olds going into the bathroom. They're in. Crying and freaking out, um, and asking for help, because they've seen this girl in a white dress, um, in the bathroom, there are stories about teachers getting walked in the bathrooms, um, like things falling off of shelves during nap time. It's a mess. So thankfully I haven't seen the ghosts, but wish me luck because I'm there like every week. Oh, All right, Lily, if you see, we're going to expect of heart too. If you see anything or hear anything we need to know about it. Lilly,

Mel: what

Gabby: the hell? I mean,

Mel: off shit, off shells. And during nap time, I made. And get the hell

Gabby: out of there immediately. The obituaries on the walls are like, like that's not normal hospital practice. Is it like, that's the name where I'm like, people die in hospitals all the time. Sadly. So like you couldn't have obituaries. For all I know.

Mel: I mean, and if you knew that that was the case, and then you're still like, yeah, no, but I'm just, I'm going to go ahead and send my kid to daycare here.

Gabby: Uh, but you know, there's some of those parents who are like, that's the whole reason we picked this day. Maybe I, there, I have friends who are like into spooky stuff and they would be like, yep, that's the one for us.

Mel: That's messed up. I love it. I love it. The lady was like, it's a mess. Oh, God spade Lily. And your job, Jay burrs,

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Mel: We have this. We have this, uh, email submission that I'm going to read out from Morgan. Um, and she tells a story about how I sh okay. So she says my mom had a friend who was a nurse in Chicago in the night days. At the time, there had been multiple reports that someone was attacking and assaulting nurses at night, when they would walk to their car one night, she got off her shift and was walking to her car. She was really scared and swore that she heard someone following her multiple times, she ended up getting to her car safely. Couple of days later, she saw on the news that the police had caught the man who was attacking the nurses. They find him in her hospital's parking lot. The night when she was there, she was so shaken and baffled that when he was charged and went to prison, she went and visited. She introduced herself and asked him if he had seen her that night and asked why he didn't attack her. The man responded. Yes. I remember seeing you and I started to follow you, but then I saw the man you were with and I left, she replied, I wasn't with a man. He says, oh yes, you were, he was huge. Must have been eight feet tall. And he was walking right next to you. She couldn't believe it. And thanks. It was Angele and I still think about it to this day.

Gabby: that one? This is the second time I've read this one through and it gives me the chills every time, such a crazy story. Oh, we're assuming. And I mean, obviously she's assuming that that man was protecting her. Hmm. Right.

Mel: So is it some sort of like angel angelic protector? What do you think about those kinds of things? Do you feel like that?

Gabby: So, yeah, that's a thing that happened. I, I do, but you know, me, I believe, I believe a lot of stuff, but I had a friend growing up who. Um, when we were like five or six, which, I mean, yeah, we were five or six, but again, this was like, he did not tell lies. And he said he saw an angel, um, an angel visited him one night and I, so obviously I believed him. I, when I was five and I used to pray that an angel would visit me to. Um, and then I would always get too scared I do, but I don't, I don't want to be left out, but it seems so scary.

Mel: Oh

Gabby: yeah. Oh yeah. So I don't

Mel: know. I think he can't believe in like the kind of darker sinister side of things without also being open to the mystery of. Positive forces, right?

Gabby: Surely. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. All right. Our next story is from Suzanne and she writes one time after I got home from school, I was sitting in my living room and I saw a man with a tall hat across my porch and go to the front door. I went to the door and nobody was there. My friends stopped by and we were hanging out in the living room. Dude a man wearing a hat is at your front door. He just walked by the window. I went to the door. Oh. I went to the door and nobody was there when my mom, then my mom saw it and we were all really spooked. I don't have an answer to what it was. It's still just spooky. We don't believe in ghosts, but we all saw.

Mel: I would say, do believe and go Suzanne, 100% when it's like multiple, multiple people have seen something that's a bit unexplained you believe in ghosts,

Gabby: Susan. I do think that like, it is something about the multiple people, seeing something that really strengthens this. Like I was thinking about that even with the first one where it's like, it was her and her sister, like they both heard it and they had a reaction and that was to get into the bed together and to like huddle and yeah, like that sticks with you because as you can't brush it off as like, oh, I just, you know, it was my imagination or, you know, whatever. So yeah. Believer, believer. All right, this next one. It is from Terry. Hi, gabion Mel. Thanks for your podcasts. I love listening to you girls talk and chit chat. Um, so my spooky story is about aliens and extra terrestrial experiences.

Mel: Um, so I went down a deep rabbit Gabby: hole on YouTube a couple of years ago, just

Mel: watching the. Videos of

Gabby: UFO,

Mel: sightings and whatnot. And, um, one video I stumbled

Gabby: across was of the actor, Dan Akroyd, talking about his experience with the men in black, how he was on the streets. Uh, maybe while he was filming and he saw an unmarked car with two guys dressed in all black standing outside of it. And anyways, so I'm watching this video, um, you know, Apartment and it's dark. Um, my laptop cuts off right in the middle of the video and there was no reason for it to do that. Um, it was plugged in, so it didn't die. It just right in the middle of the video after like watching 15 different ones. Cut out flat. So, um, that is my speaking story. Um, I have not gotten the nerve to try and find the video or watch it again because it just scared me that bad. But anyways, thank you guys

Mel: so much for listening and keep doing what

Gabby: you're doing. So yeah, that one's like. I interpreted it as like a government conspiracy, like cut up, cut off, cut it off before she finds out too much kind of a story. And you love this shit, don't you? Oh, I am ready for the alien invasion. I actually just bought a t-shirt. I bought an alien t-shirt literally last week. Um, yeah, I don't know. I just, why, why do

Mel: you, why do you find the alien thing? So fascinating. Unbelievable.

Gabby: I find it fat well, so I find it fascinating because I'm like, oh my goodness. Life from another planet that is just curious to me. Um, or yeah, somewhere else. Uh, I find it believable because I just think the chances of us being the only living beings in the universe to be very slim. Um, that's just what I think, I assume that are. And I, and here's the thing like alien could mean alien could doesn't have to mean like the cartoon Hollywood versions that we necessarily always think of. It could, it could be like insects on another planet, you know, like nothing, that's a bit boring though. Isn't that? Today's definitely the boring side, but I'm just like, yeah, like on the, at the base level, I definitely believe that that exists and also. When you do, because I have done the same thing as Terry and I've gone down those rabbit holes, um, and I've watched the documentaries and like there's a place called like area. Yeah. Area 51 51. Um, there are so many like, like presidents, like bill Clinton is like, has basically come out and said like, yeah, the us government has so many alien artifacts. We just like really unserved real. We just don't share it with the public and like, There's all sorts of stuff like that. Like, I mean, I don't like Joe Rogan, but he, if you're interested in this, he definitely interviews quite a few people on the topic who have held like specialist positions in at least the us military and stuff who have like tons of unexplained stories of UFO sightings. Aircraft's that are not our own or at least once. And I mean, obviously there, it's not totally out of the realm of possibility that there are other countries that have technology that we, that are they're just sitting on it. I'm sure. But. Oh, what

Mel: do you think, what do you think would be their reluctance to not share that information with the public?

Gabby: Um, I like I'm like pandemonium, like what people would do with that. Like, I mean, even just the fact that they released the UFO site. Like the Pentagon released a UFO sighting in the middle of the pandemic when people were like, yeah, I literally just don't have time to like, care about this right now because I'm like in quarantine,

Mel: everything feels

Gabby: paranormal as is. Yes. I feel like I'm living in the end of the world that this is just, yeah, me. And of course there's a UFO, of course. I don't know. I don't know exactly. I don't know, this is how I feel. I'm a believer,

Mel: some sort of, some sort of Tom cruise connection to this, the sea of Bheki UFO guy. He's a scientist. Yeah. But isn't there some connection to Scientology in that realm of

Gabby: belief? Yeah, there is. I don't know what the specific connection is, but they definitely do believe in aliens as well. Yeah. I don't know more than that. That's all I know, so. Okay.

Mel: All right. I thought there was going to be more to that. Sorry, but he definitely does believe in. He definitely does believe in it doesn't matter.

Gabby: Oh yeah. He's Meghan. And there is a documentary about his involvement in the church of Scientology that if you like spooky conspiracy, like, I don't know. Yeah. Organized. Religion crime kind of things. You should definitely check that out. Um, and cold. Oh, I'll, I'll put it in the show notes. I'll look it up in the show notes. Cause I don't remember what it's called. I watched an airplane a few years ago and it is very fascinating. And then if you have. I think that if you've ever done a deep dive into the story of how Katie Holmes had escaped from him and from the church of Scientology, that is absolutely fascinating. Like it took her three years to plan. She like, had to like, like

Mel: she's in this documentary

Gabby: that no, it's not in this documentary. It's a separate, like, it's just stuff that you can cobble together on the internet. I don't think there was a documentary about it, but like she had two. On very undercover, like come up with an escape plan with her parents, like buying an apartment in New York, like all of this stuff and like escaped with her. Which is

Mel: also Lisa Remeny doesn't she have a whole like outing Scientology stuff. Yeah. Okay. We're getting a bit sidetracked with the Scientology, but yes. All right. Okay.

Gabby: Last one com is from Heather and I. This is a good. Okay. So my spooky story happened when my oldest who's now 16 was an infant and we were living in this townhouse. And, um, I had put my son down for bed. My husband was at church at an event. And, um, turn the monitor on, was sitting down and checking email, that kind of stuff. And all of a sudden there was this like cackling. Like this horrible laughing coming out of his monitor, it sounded like someone was literally standing over his crib. And so I ran upstairs and, um, checked his room. And of course there was no one there and like, It freaked me out. So I literally barricaded myself in his bedroom and started calling my husband who had like, you know, of course silence his phone, horrible cell reception at the time and just, um, wasn't answering. And so finally he answered and rushed home and was kind of like, okay, Heather, like, are you sure? You know, he was just kind of like, whatever. And then, um, We got my son settled back down and turn the monitor back on and he heard it too. And. Freaked us both out so much. We like searched the whole house. There's nothing. So he spent the night at my parent's house, um, that night and then, um, sort of just, you know, moved on. Well then a week and a half later, my husband left for work and I put my son down for his morning nap and started doing some laundry. And. The cackling has started again. I had had it and I called the cops. Um, I was using a cordless phone cause you know, dark ages and um, I started to tell the 9 1, 1 operator what was going on. And as soon as I got through like the initial part of the story, my phone went dead and I put in. Call anymore. And so I used my cell phone instead and got the same 9 1 1 operator. And she was like, I've got police on the way. Like, I'm so glad that you know, you called back. So I know you're okay. And like the cops got there and searched the house, looked all over and they probably thought I was totally crazy. Um, but. They couldn't find anything. And so we still don't know like what was going on and like, if somebody was messing with us or what. Okay. I would

Mel: often move hosts. Um, I would have to sleep in the same room as my child forever

Gabby: tether. I know I responded to that one. I was like, oh my gosh. And she said, yeah, I know she got back. Uh, yesterday. She was like, yeah, I know. Right. It was absolutely awful years later. I impact a box. I our box to get our nursery ready for our younger son and found the monitor and I immediately threw it away.

Mel: Oh, I mean, I can't believe she let the monitor just roam around her house. Do you think it was like a frequency thing? Cause I have heard that you see those kinds of viral things about people hacking into your baby monitors to listen or to like speak to your kids. And it freaks me out.

Gabby: I would assume that probably. If I had to like, find an explanation for this one, that's what I would assume. And that is also why I actually didn't use a baby monitor for Danny, because I was like too afraid of people like hacking in and seeing, I like you use it a few times and every time I used it, I just was like, no, I feel. I just feel like this is a broadcast that anyone could pick up on if they wanted to. And we have some like weird neighbors in our neighborhoods. So you guys to be weird, but you know,

Mel: well, I mean, there's a certain darkness inside you. If you're going to hack into baby monitors and. Yeah, for real use a baby monitor because my spidey senses, like I just never slept anyway. There was no way I was going to need to hear anything through a baby monitor because I could hear it the line

Gabby: clear. Um,

Mel: Ooh, not one. It's just, it's just so interesting in that we can all have these really unexplained things. And that's why I'm like, I feel like so very open to. The F the idea of mystery and all that kind of stuff. And I was listening to this podcast, um, a friend of ours put me on to, um, I said nomad podcasts. So it's kind of like a, um, maybe similar to what the letter just would've thought podcasts would have been back in the day, but there's this one episode that Dave and I both listened to on a dry phones, um, by this. Kind of scientist. He calls himself a skeptical scientist called Dr. Bruce Greyson. So if you want to look the episode up, it's on the nomad podcast and it's back in like the middle of June, June 23rd, 2021, um, Dr. Bruce Grayson, and he talks about like, he's a researcher into near death experiences. And it's really, really fascinating to kind of the idea of like the. Pioneering this like near death studies, um, for like 50 years. So we has all of this research and has all this like, um, I think similar, like so many similarities in what, what people have experienced it whenever they come near to death. That it's it's so, so fascinating. That just kind of, I guess, bolsters the idea that there's. There is life after death in some way, or that there's some sort of like, yeah. Mystery to. That, but also has there's legs to the research. Do you know what I mean? Oh yeah,

Gabby: for sure. I think, yeah, I haven't listened to that podcast episode, but I have listened to stuff similar. And that is it. It's like when you hear these kinds of stories, it's the patterns and the similarities between like, even when you think of like, when I think of. 'cause I do all the deep dives into alien encounters. And obviously it can just be like people drawing from the stories that they hear. Of course, I know that. Um, but then there's also other parts of it that you're like, Especially the stories when you, that you hear about when it was like so much more was under a confidential file. Like it wasn't as public knowledge and that's where you get people, like, you know, the men in black where it's like, they are like, actually just collecting these similarities and like putting them in a file. But like, but yeah, like it's that stuff, it's the similarities between all of these kinds of experiences where it's like, we are learning more about them all the time. And that's why stories like this are kind of fun because. They're fun and spooky. And whether you believe him or not, you know, whatever, but they're all like field research or building a

Mel: bigger picture that there is where we are not the only one. Yeah, there is other life among us. There's this? There's this book that I read, uh, in the summer or maybe before the summer by mutt. My tag is that his nanny called the

Gabby: midnight library. That's on my to read list.

Mel: Yeah. It's, it's all like the whole premise of the story is that this girl comes like has a near. Experience and gets to go and kind of try out all these different versions. It's almost like site endorse Satan's you know, like these different experiences, if she had, have chosen certain different paths or so she gets, she goes to this library, this near-death experience brings her to this, I guess, supernatural. Out of body library, where she gets, she gets to go back and rewrite the book and whatever like of her life and all these different ways. But it gets into a little bit of, um, quantum physics, which I think there was certain points in reading it, which, and it's obviously a fiction book and a story, but there were parts of it that I was just like, this is kind of blowing my mind a little bit, the idea that there could be like multiple realities of my life. Like

Gabby: happening

Mel: simultaneously. Um, so yeah, if you want to get a

Gabby: little, uh, I would say,

Mel: and, you know, a beginner's guide to quantum physics theories. That's a really, that's a really interesting read for that for an intro into that. I don't think that I have like, Mental capacity to let myself go down that rabbit hole too far, because it freaks me out that that's possible or could be possible or something to even consider that there's. I'm not, I'm not really making sense, but there's other versions of your life that are happening in because time is a construct. Oh, all of it, Stephen, Sam, it makes my head spin. It's probably too early in the morning for you as well to be like considering

Gabby: the midnight library. Well, that's kind of what live wrinkle in time was like, too. I read that growing up. It was one of my favorite books and it is like based off of science that where we are in science and math that we just have. Like, it's kind of like once you realize what the science and math means, the possibilities are kind of endless in terms of, okay, well, we know this is true. So what. Well, how could that play out in a fictional setting? You know, it's kind of fun to think about anyway. Well, we anyway enjoyed this spooky episode of the making an effort podcast. Thank you to everyone who sent in their submissions. Um, there was so fun to listen to and read through and, uh, we will be back next week with our usual programming of us. Just kind of schlepping through. Making an effort in various air. Yeah.

Mel: Thanks everybody. Thank you. Bye.