Episode 05: What We Do When We’re Bored
This week on the Making An Effort Podcast we talk about all the weird and wonderful ways we whittle away our time when we’re bored.
Actually, correction: we are rarely ever truly bored. But sometimes we need a mental escape from reality— especially in lockdown and in our post-2020 world. So perhaps this episode would be better titled “Weird stuff we Google when we’re wasting time on our phones” but it doesn’t have same ring to it.
We talk about how depressing it is when Instagram gives you the “you’re all caught up” message and where we go from there.
Also brief update about how our new year “resolutions” are going: Gabby has started watching TV and Mel has done one week of journaling. TV exceptions most include reality TV or documentaries like the Freeing Britney documentary.
So here’s some of the stuff we start investigating when we’re bored:
- Which celebrities are secret smokers?
- Houses in Malibu
- Homes on Zillow or PropertyPal.
- We talk about how we don’t understand TikTok and basically just lurk without creating any content and how we can’t open the app without spending at least two hours on it.
We talk about how we don’t abandon as many online shopping carts as we should. Gabby talks about her new-found love of Etsy. If you want to check out the VERY fancy glass candlesticks Gabby mentioned they’re here.
Then we talk extensively about we stalk people we used to know on Facebook and social media— please tell us we’re not the only ones who do this!!!
As always, we want to hear your thoughts— email us at makinganeffortpodcast@gmail.com
>>> Click here to read the computer generated transcript (note the transcript isn't perfect)
Gabby: Welcome to the making an effort podcast with Gabby and Mel, the podcast about all the things we make an effort with. And some of the things we don't this week, we want to talk about boredom.
Specifically, all the weird and wonderful ways we whittle away time. Well, that was kind of a tongue twister. And I would just like to say, I did say that very well the first time round.
Mel: First go. That is brilliant. There were like three, three w words and that's including the word web Gabby: does sound way better when you say whittle and I say, Hmm.
Mel: I would actually like to really quickly just say, because I don't think we have mentioned this on the podcast that I just want to acknowledge that our accents, because I have had a couple of people message me on Instagram, like this. Gabby: Okay. Go for it.
Mel: You are like, you know, 80%. American with a 20% lean into the Northern Irish accent now. And I am the reverse of that, but I think it tips a little bit whenever we're together. It does not really Gabby: does it does. I know, I know. It's
Mel: like we kind of did live in Canada. I'd love to guide a, for like a long amount of years, so I will have.Canadian. Yeah. Twine twine, a Canadian Twain. Absolutely nothing but no,
Gabby: it is true. We kind of create our own little like third, uh, accent. It's like neither here nor there. So the hybrid hybrid. Yeah. Welcome to the hybrid podcast.
Mel: The hybrid. In fact, there wasn't, there was talk about our podcast being cold.
I can't even say it. What was the one you
Gabby: really liked? I liked the F words, feminism and faith, I think were the three that originally came to mind.
Mel: I was like, Then we looked it up and we're like, there's 16 different podcasts called the F word. Um, no, the one you were, you were talking. Yeah. Transit
Gabby: trans Atlanta CISM, like the death cab song.
Mel: Super, super rolls off the tongue. I know guys listening to the trends, Atlanta CISM Bullock.
Gabby: Also, it would have been so cute. And so kind of like emo it would have been such a throwback anyway.
Mel: But we're talking about boredom today because I think with Gabby and I often discuss the things that we fill our time with whenever, you know, we are bored and I want to, we just thought it would be fun to like, talk about it.
All the kind of weird habits and things that we Google and things, uh, the rabbit holes that we go down, you know, um, whenever we have like space or we just want to zone night, and I guess the first thing to talk about is like, do, is, is boredom a thing. Are there levels
Gabby: of boredom? Well, yes. I mean, I think there are for sure or, okay.
This is what I will say for me as a mom who works from home and very rarely ever truly bored. What I kind of mean is like, what. Where do I go when I need a mental escape? Yeah. Way to describe it. It's like, I don't want to like sit down and read a book. I don't want to watch something. Um, however, I also still want to be entertained and I have already, I've already gotten that depressing.
You're all caught up on Instagram. Do they still do that? They've started doing it on my feet again at anyway. Yes. It is like actually the most depressing thing that you can see on your phone or for, for Mel: those of you who watched that, you know, that the social, what was social experiment? Was it cold or one of those.
One at that one at that Netflix documentary about sort of social media usage, everyone was on their high horse ABIDA and downloaded the moment up. Is it moments that kind of keeps you accountable on, um, On on your phone, it like gives you prompts. It's like, do you really want to be on your phone? Right.
Gabby: It's like super, or
Mel: it says really long pickup detected. Are you sure this might be a good time to put your phone dine, like honestly, shut up, back off,
Gabby: stop. Okay. I have to say that I actually never watched that. Documentary because I didn't, I didn't feel like I got the cliff notes from everyone on social media.
So, which was hilarious that you, the way you found out about it was on social media. I understand there's like levels of inception here that probably we could go into, but I also think it was kind of an Enneagram four moment where like the more people tell me I need to do something. The less likely I am to do it.
Mel: Oh, I felt that big time. I was just like, I do not need to add one more thing to the, to the things that I feel guilty about in my life. You know, because as an any ground one, those are a plenty, you've got guilt on lock. I got it locked down. But I think what we're talking about today is exactly what you're talking about. The mental escapism, because that is different to true boredom. Yes. So true boredom is like wandering around your high school and like, there's literally nothing to do. Like go there's really nothing to do. And I don't know if I have experienced that in my life and quite some time, because. There is always something today. Like there is always, there is always laundry to fold. There is always plants to water or gosh, children to water.
Gabby: I would love to feel actually board for a moment.
Mel: You know? So this is not, we're not talking about like boredom in its purest form. No, we're talking about boredom in the like, You are wrecked at the end of the day, you cannot.
Oh, this is a good one. You cannot make a decision about what to watch. Oh yeah. We all know that you are faking a TV brick.
Gabby: I actually meant to do an update about that. Can I do an update about that?
Mel: You can, if I can do an update about the journey, you absolutely can. Okay.
Gabby: Your journal. So, uh, my update is that that, uh, I have realized that I still very much have a place for reality TV. In my TV watching, do you have an opening? I have an opening and you're less. And maybe, maybe that will change again and evolve at some point during the year, but I don't want to watch Emily and Paris. I never did watch it. But I don't want to watch any of those kinds of shows. I want to see hard hitting reality TV. I want to know about the real Housewives. I want to know about America's next top model, love Island. That's what I'm willing to watch right now. So,
Mel: okay. That's fair. That is a fair reneging on your proclamation put out there. And really those, I watched
Gabby: free Brittany documentary. I really want to watch that. I definitely
Mel: really sad. I have an opening for that. Oh
Gabby: yeah. Put a pin in that. And once you've watched it, when we talk about it, because, okay. I think there's a lot of stuff you would want to talk about. In that documentary.
Mel: I imagine there would be, um, just a little update on my, on my, uh, intense intentions that I'm bringing into the new year to G to G bring it in to the, so I brought it into the first week. Right. I really did. Um, no. So the journal is still. On my mind and in my bedside cabinet keeps happening. Right? Is this, this journal has the one page for the, your intentions for the day and like how you're failing, how you slept, what you're going to, how are you going to move your body today? Blah, blah, blah. And it does help when I write that stuff down absolutely helps.
But then there's like the second page that you're supposed to do at night, not supposed to do, like you can choose to do it. And I like my whole journal so far is just the one page. Like the second page filled out because by the end of the day, I'm like, I am too tired to tell you how today was yeah. Journal. So stop asking me.
Gabby: But you know what you do have energy for? Googling which celebrities smoke
Mel: I do! This is what we're talking about. It's all of these, like, like ridiculous things that you end up going down a rabbit hole into. And those are the kinds of things that I end up googling. So stuff like, um, celebrities who smoke, uh, like, or actually it's more like surprising produce who smoke!
Gabby: You're like creating your own People Magazine articles.
Mel: Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking to catch somebody out.
Gabby: You're doing your own research.
Mel: I'm like, who's actually bad that I think is good.
Gabby: Are there any surprising ones?
Hmm. I remember being surprised slash not surprised about Emma Stone, because she said that
Mel: Kate Winslet, she used to smoke.
Gabby: Oh, I didn't know that.
Mel: Yeah. Huh. I mean, yeah, that was, I think it was maybe more about me looking for justification for my own sneaky smoking habit that I have since kicked. But, um,
Gabby: is it next to your journal on your bedside table?
Mel: A pack of smokes? No. No, of course not. Um, no, but things that. Often they're re they're linked to like thing. Like my rabbit holes usually are connected to things that I've watched on TV. So like when I was watching what's that, um, what's that really awful reality show about where they sell houses, selling sunsets. I
Gabby: loved selling sunsets.
Mel: I know, I know big time it was toxic to the core. Amazing. And. So I would, I then would go down a rabbit hole of looking at beach, front properties and Malibu.
Yeah. And see, and like this one does, you know, Yeah. I mean, is this affordable for me?
Gabby: Oh, you know, so funny about that show is like, you start getting in the, like the Headspace of those kinds of homes and then the bile and you're like, Oh, why is she even showing them this like terrible house? There's only five bedrooms. Like the kitchen has to be redone next.
Mel: Like yeah, of course. I'm like what? That's only 7 million, like that is going to be commission on that. It's going to be, and then you're like, hang on a second. Hang on. So yeah, stuff like that. So it's definitely host related for me often my rabbit holes. So I will also do like a, um, how much does it cost to rent a loft in Brooklyn? How much does it cost now?
Gabby: I just want to know all these reasons.
Mel: Yeah, stuff like that. And then I'll go through some listings.
I don't know why, like what am I doing?
Gabby: Yeah. I mean, I do that with Zillow and like, uh, houses to property and property. And it's always,
Mel: where are you looking though? Where are you looking for those houses?
Gabby: So in Nashville. So sometimes yeah, in Nashville, there's a few neighborhoods that I always check every week.
And they're ones where there aren't that many homes, but occasionally a house will show it, like pop up and I'll always feel like offended when someone buys it, even though we're not really own them in the market. Cause I'd be like, how's my house. I had everything planned out. Absolutely.
Mel: It was only half a million Pines, like of course, of course.
Gabby: Yeah. And no chump change. Um, also. In Northern Ireland, Chris gets so annoyed with me because I definitely have a dream of like, so I love our house in Northern Ireland. It's just super, super small, um, which suits us for the, the amount of time we spend there, which is like maybe two or three months out of the year.
Um, and usually not together. Usually it's like, you know, a month here, a month there and non COVID times. So we really don't need a huge house. However, I would love a big country home in Northern Ireland that like looked out over the water. Oh yeah. And like had an amazing, yeah, I don't know. I just that's the dream.
And I keep telling Chris, I'm like, can we like somehow build this into the five-year plan, but I don't think that's going
Mel: to happen. That definitely is worth considering. And I always, I always think like that's, that is goals, right. Is like having some sort of property that overlooks water to me that is like ultimate. So I often do we search on property pal. You know, which is like the Northern Irish.
Gabby: Oh, I know about Property Pal.
Mel: I'm like, uh, North coast area. And then I zoom in to just where the water is. And then I look at all of those properties and, um, because to me, if you're going to buy a property on the North coast of Northern Ireland, which is the most spectacular. Beautiful rugged . Gabby: Saint array, fun fact for the Americans listening or the non Northern Irish people listening. It is home of one of the seven natural wonders of the world, which is the Giant's Causeway.
Mel: Yes. And also a big location for game of Thrones shoot ass. It was massive for them. Um, I often think like if you're going to go ahead and buy a property, Around there.
Like you might as well go all out and have a safe, you like, don't like, I don't want to buy a house. That's just, you know,
Gabby: that could just be like in a suburb of Donaghadee, no shade D because I love Donika D but I know what you're saying, where it's like, if you can't see the ocean, like, what's the point on some level
Mel: but also is that ever going to happen?
Which is why. Our next best thing is we are potentially going to buy a caravan that overlooks this. Hm. I don't know if we're going to be in the realm of affording a second property, overlooking the city anytime soon, but what we know we might be able to manage as a caravan. Um, So stuff like that, definitely on the old property searches, that is a big one.
Um, and I am also, it also just scratches that like nosiness of looking inside people's houses.
Gabby: Oh yes. The best. Yeah. Where you like judge all their decisions. Yeah.
Mel: Or like, I know exactly what would make this better. You know, those are the, those are the kinds of things. And I think about, I mean, Pinterest is a big one.
Gabby: I know the Pinterest, like my Pinterest to where folder is just basically repeats of the same outfit over and over and over and over
Mel: again. You ever go to Penn something and it's like, you have already penned.
Basically I Oprah, I love it. That's why, let me pin it again.
Gabby: I'm going to pin it again so that it shows up sooner in my. List, and I don't have to scroll all the way back. Yeah, no, I do that. I, um, so on this topic though, I have a real love, hate relationship with tick-tock. So I actually, because I'm physically. Incapable of opening, Tik TOK, and then only spending like two minutes on there. Really. If I opened up tick jock, it's like, I'm there for an hour and you're dying. I can't. So I like, I've gotten to the point where I announced it to Chris. I'll be like, just letting you know, this is the least millennials or generation Z thing ever.
Uh, And the most millennial thing ever where I'm just like, I'm sitting down, I'm opening, take doxy in and hour. And I actually had to delete it from my phone cause I would just open it and spend two hours on it. Just scrolling.
Mel: So you have an account, but you don't create anything on it. You're not merely there.
You're like a 65 year old woman that has
Gabby: Instagram. Yes. That's how she is.
Mel: She's only there and check and maybe give the old, like, love heart.
Gabby: Oh yeah. Sometimes I'll like something.
Mel: So it's the equivalent of that. Like my auntie's that have an Instagram account, but, but don't ever put anything on it.
They're only there for nosiness.
Gabby: Yep. That's me. And that's fair. Uh, but I can spend a long time on desktop as well.
Mel: So, um, what kind of like, okay, this is really all leery of me, but like, I don't, is it, is it more, is it dancing and like, no, I watched impressions and impressions and food.
Gabby: Uh, I like the food hacks.
I like the, the F. There's um, okay. So I'm not really on it enough to really know everyone's handles and everything, but there is, uh, an Instagram account. That's like the corporate girl or something like that. And she will like play out scenarios that happen in like corporate life that are really funny and entertaining.
Um, I don't know. There's just stuff like that where it's like, like the little sketches, get me every time. And I'm like, that was funny. It's like, just like chuckling to myself. I think it's like my love of reality TV meshed with my love of social media is tech talk. That's a good way to describe it, but it's also not reality. I don't know.
Mel: And it's a niche. It's a nature of a boredom filler niche for you. Yeah, I have like in social media, I have. On Instagram, I use like the saved folder. Do you do that?
Gabby: So it's, it's like, uh, Oh yeah.
Mel: So I haven't quite put it into like sections yet, so it's just one, mostly one stream. Um, but like I can go fell stalker on that and full.
Yeah. So like, like in a locations, Looking at people's profiles who post regularly from that location. If I want to know more about an area or something like I can be, I can be. Oh, super stalkery. Um, and I also, it's also like, almost like a list of things that I would love to buy to that saved list. Are you like online shopper?
Fill the cart and abandon kind of girl when you're bored.
Gabby: Uh, I do a lot of online shopping. Sadly, I don't abandon as many.
Mel: You're like committed to the cart. You do not abandon, you know?
Gabby: Usually this is what I'll do. Sometimes I'll like fill a cart and if it's stuff I like don't need, that's just like boredom, shopping, which does happen quite a bit to me, I will try. And forced myself to like, just come back to it the next day or like two or three days later and be like, do you still want this?
And if you do, you know, go for it. I actually, this year has been the year of Etsy for me. So I feel like when Etsy first started, it was a lot more, I mean, it is still super craft-based. Um, and you can, you definitely need to like, kind of sort through some stuff, but there's some gold on Oh yeah. Like. Like, uh, I've gotten a few things this year where I just they're so unique.
I would never get them anywhere else. And they were like pretty.
Mel: What kind of things do you mean? Like clothes or heists or what? Like, um, so
Gabby: mostly house stuff. Um, I've gotten a few, like. This sounds very fancy, but it's like, uh, it wasn't really that fancy, like blown glass vases, you know, like that's totally boxy. I know it sounds so fancy. Um, but yeah, I've got a few of like candlesticks. Um, I'm currently, um, in the market for, I really want some blue China, like antique tea cups to drink my espresso out of in the morning. Because I just feel like that feels so I don't know. Fancy. Just, it feels fancy. Yeah. So that's the kind of stuff that I look up on Etsy where I just go down these rabbit holes of like stuff, especially vintage stuff.
It's kind of like doing the online version of going to. You know, a ventured shop, um, at times. And I, a lot of times they feel like they're fairly reasonably priced. Yeah,
Mel: yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I love, I love, um, Etsy for stuff like pottery or like for, for ADA sometimes if I want to get her like a costume or something, my five-year-old, you know, like, like I like to see if there's something that's.
Handmade, like that's different because yeah. Yeah. And that can be a little bit pricier, but definitely, really good quality. Not as flammable, um, and stuff like that. Oh yeah. Yeah. I love that. Say it's not, it's not something that I automatically always go to. Um, To shop necessarily. I would Mo I would more be an eBay girl. Gabby: Oh see. Should I tell you I got banned from eBay? Mel: What shady stuff were you doing? Okay,
Gabby: so when we were in the UK, this, uh, we're in Northern Ireland, this, um, fall, I. Wanted to buy stuff from eBay for house. Right. And so I switched my eBay account from being, you know, like US-based to the UK. Yeah. And started looking stuff up and, um, was doing a few searches.
And then a few days later I got an email from eBay saying, okay, We've detected fraudulent activity on your account. Uh, we think it's super shady that you switched to locations at all the stuff you are forever forbidden from rejoining eBay. And I was like, yeah, I was like, this is non-negotiable do not contact us is harsh.
I know. I mean, I'm sure I could sign up with a different email address, but I'm kind of afraid that they're going to like see that the address is still the same of the quote-on-quote fraudulent account that I had earlier
Mel: and what fine, fine or something.
Gabby: I don't know, like cancel me again. It was very offensive.
Mel: and actually quite scared of the email.
Gabby: It was a very, it was very scary to get that email.
Mel: That's a big one. That's a, that's a real heavy hand.
Gabby: Doesn't it? Yeah. Anyway, I was like, have you not had people move country before? Like so weird, but.
Mel: Of course. So it feels like a very normal thing that people would do.
Gabby: So I think it's because it had been a minute since I had been on there.
So it was like also like changing my password and just doing like a whole update. And I think I did too many updates at once, but anyway. Yeah. But you know where Etsy lives. So like, do you have like an order of apps that you go through on these? So where it's like, Hey, you looked at Instagram done. What's your second app.
Mine's Twitter. Oh, I don't know how much that are anymore. Okay. So I go to Twitter and then I go to Pinterest and then I go to Etsy. That's usually the, the order of things.
Mel: Yeah. So my Instagram then Facebook, then Pinterest then probably let me say then probably sometimes I go in and like, I'll like have a little.
Mess around with like, add it in some pictures. So I'll go through my pictures and clear the mite. And like when I'm bored, I'm like, Oh, that would be a good thing to do is clear out my pictures. And then like favorite the ones that I want to try a little Fisco filter on or that kind of thing. And maybe do a little bit of that.
Um, and. Yeah. And then I'll go through my I'll. Maybe come back to my Instagram saved folder and look at all the things I've saved and see. Is there anything I can put in a cart and abandoned? Okay. Yeah. That's often the sequence, um, or I'll just go or I'll just get distracted by something on the explore page on Instagram and then go down a massive.
Gabby: Massive rabbit hole,
Mel: all of a sudden I'm like, yeah. Um, or do you ever, okay, this is maybe revealing the weight about tape.
Do you ever think about someone from school or like. And go, all right, where are they now? 100% need to find out what they're doing. Oh, yes. And like, I can't find them with their like mid Nam if it's a girl. So I have to like go into someone that I who's near my know, and I know is on Facebook and go into their friends and see if I can find them in their friends.
And then if, and then once I find them find out that. Like their married name or whatever, then I'll go in and see if I can find them on any other search. Yeah. Tell me you do that.
Gabby: I definitely do that, but I don't ever remember the names of people. I know, I know I'm the same people who message me and be like, hi, I'm so-and-so remember me from high school.
And I'm like, No. Like, and it's not because I don't actually remember them. Like if I saw a picture that might be like, Oh yeah, I remember you. Yeah. But when they just like, say their name, I'm terrible at that. It's so embarrassing. Um, but no, I do that, but I, because it's so like visual for me, I always have to go into like my Facebook because I don't go on Facebook very much unless I'm like, okay, Working or doing, doing stock or activities like this or Facebook marketplace, which I can't believe we haven't talked about. But anyway, Yeah, I'll go to the photo of where I know their photo exists online on Facebook. And then I'll go like, through that channel to find out about their life, because I usually don't remember their name to be aware. It's a look simple,
Mel: but you know, when someone just like pops into your mind and you're like, Oh, my word, like we used to hang out.
I don't wonder what I wonder what they're doing now. Um, that's satisfying though. When you get like, When you get success in that Gabby: and that serves, do you ever think about how, like before social media people would just have those thoughts? Probably still, but have no way of looking someone up? Mel: Hmm, not so weird, but sad.
Gabby: I know that's what I think too. Like, I kind of liked the idea that we're all like, sort of keeping tabs on the people who used to be at our lives, even if we're not reaching out. I don't know. Yeah. Cause I think we all do it to some extent we do all do it. Um, I just have to say, I definitely thought this was going to be a really quick episode.
Mel: There are many things to say. We do a lot of weird stuff when we're bored. I mean, I definitely like last week, um, We heard the sad news that screeched from CFA, the bell had passed away. And that set me on a rabbit hole of like water, the Olsen twins do at night, they were in the same category as to see it by the bell world.
For me, like I used to come home from school, watch, see by the bell, watch full house, maybe some fresh prints and. Like then it would be dinner time. So I, yeah. So then I'm like, along with friends from school TV, friends from my childhood, I know, I know. Yeah. So yeah, there's, there's a lot to talk about because it is very easy to what all the way that is a good amount of time, a solid amount of time, even though most of the time I can.
Unequivocally say I would love to be bored more.
Gabby: Yeah. I just feel very proud of us for coming full circle. Very neatly with celebrities who smoke,
Mel: they love a ciggy don't they? They do. I wonder, I wonder do they still, I couldn't, I couldn't find any recent, yeah. Any recent footage, but
Gabby: I think that they, for sure do.
I mean, they famously had cigarettes for their guests at their wedding or not their wedding and he was Mary Kate's wedding. She just had bulls. Have you not heard this? No. So at her wedding, like they was just bulls of cigarettes for the guests to enjoy throughout the service and like after party. Yeah.
Mel: The reception is weird.
Gabby: That is weird. So I would be shocked if they weren't still smoking.
Mel: They for sure are. That's crazy to me. Well, there you go. And they're probably doing it in a loft in Brooklyn.
Gabby: Literally could not have planned this,
Mel: a lofty or that I have. So I looked around on the internet. all right.
Well, listen, we want to hear from you. Tell us exactly what. Ed when your mental exhaustion hits, are you like us? Are you Googling all the properties? Um, you can let us know on Instagram at mail Wiggins at goblet Ellen, or you can email makinganeffortpodcast@gmail.com. And do we want to maybe say, um, about next week?
Gabby: Yeah, yeah. I was going to say we should, we shouldn't let them know. Um, so next week we are going to be talking about friends and talking about making friends and our midlife and how sometimes that can feel challenging or intimidating or just, we I'm sure we all have stories about that. And we want to hear from you guys.
So we have on our website, I'm makinganeffortpodcast.com a little, uh, submission. Area with how to record a voice memo and send it in. Um, we'd like it to stay under a minute or less. Uh, there's a whole list of, uh, kind of, I guess, a description about how to do that. And we would love to hear from you guys, because we would love to add your voice to this podcast.
Um, I already feel like we're friends. So this will just make that a fantasy and more of a reality in my head.
Mel: Yes. So yeah. So next week we're going to talk about all the different kind of fastest to what not fascist.
Gabby: Like where is this going?
Mel: to, what is it, what it's like to make friends when you're a grownup, when you're.
Established as a, an adult in whatever way. Um, and we want to hear from you. So if you have a story, a bite like that, been a big, important friendship for you, one that you've made in your midlife, or if you find it hard, like if you've been like, Oh, this is why it sucks. Come and tell us, record a short voice, voice note, check out our website for all the details on how to do that.
Cause we do. Want to hear from you for sure. And we also want to just say a massive thank you for making our first week, two weeks of launching this podcast. Just so fun and Oh my goodness. So warm and fuzzy for us. Like, it's been so nice to hear from everybody and see the lesson while you run and why you Koch and while you Potter. So yeah.
Gabby: It seriously means so much. And I, I know it sounds so cheesy, but I do feel like we're just friends with everyone on the opposite side of this podcast and it's so special. So thanks. Thanks for the warm welcome into the podcasting world guys.
Mel: Yeah, absolutely. Um, please feel free to continue to. Um, leave reviews on Apple podcasts and Reddit and tell us what you think and all the rest of it so that we can, you know, talk to more people and include them in what we're doing.
Uh, and that is it for today. And we are going to see you next week. We're hopefully we'll be sharing some of your voices and your stories as well. Bye everybody. Hi.
